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Strain guage - other options
Strain guage - other options
6/13/08 7:57 PM
As you may/maynot know, my project uses an accurate weigh scale
See the CarbCounter Plus Project for more info

The Problem is that DigiyKey does not stock or list any suitable loadcells or strain guages (Actually no strain guages at all!)

I have emailed DigiKey and the response is that they do not have anything suitable.


The scale requirements are an accuracy of 1 gram (+/- 0.5gram) over a range 1gram to 5Kg.
I have tested this using a load cell that had 4 strain guages arranged in a bridge and it works fine.

Does anyone have any other ideas on how I can acheive this resolution and range with parts that Digikey has listed.

Currently seperating the weigh scale out of the project so that it does not conflict with the competition rules.


Mike
RE: Strain guage - other options
6/14/08 11:49 PM as a reply to mimemike .
THere are other types of sensors that can be used in scale applications. Linear variable displacement transformers are
one possibility, but they are kinda pricey. Digi-key does carry some though. Another possibility is magnetic sensors
like MLX90215EVA-ND. They can be set up with small permanent magnets to measure linear displacement. So you could
have a spring loaded platform and calibrate it for displacement versus weight.
RE: Strain guage - other options
6/16/08 2:33 PM as a reply to radioruler .
I am also looking into pressure sensors e.g MSP6818-ND from Digikey

Mike
RE: Strain guage - other options
7/15/08 2:53 PM as a reply to mimemike .
I have done pressure sensing with conductive foam (the black carbon impregnated stuff) but you probably will not get the resolution you want and calibration can be an issue. Also over time it tends to change and break down.

RE: Strain guage - other options
Tags: load cell, mass, pid, sensor, solenoid, strain gauge, weigh
7/15/08 6:31 PM as a reply to mimemike .
Go old school:

Hook up a solenoid to the food tray such that the solenoid, when powered, lifts the tray. Use a lever to decrease the power required (though it'll increase the solenoid throw - you only need a mm or so of movement on the tray end)

Now put some food on the tray. Activate the solenoid. If it lifts the tray you're good to go on.

Use a bare electrode or a very low force pushbutton switch under the tray - when the tray is lifted by the solenoid the switch or contact should disconnect.

Weighing procedure:
1. Start at 0 current in the solenoid, make sure the contact/switch shows the tray is down.
2. Ramp up the current in the solenoid until the switch/contact disconnects.
3. Measure the current in the coil of the solenoid - that is related to the weight of the food.

You have to measure the current due to variations in the power supply, etc, although for a gross measure you could simply use PWM out and use the value you set the PWM to. You could implement a PID here if desired to find the weight with more accuracy, and to prevent noticeable vibrations as you move the tray up and down weighing the food. If implemented well mechanically, and using springs to assist the solenoid, it could still require very low power, but it's not ideal. You could also implement it using a magnet on the tray with a coil below it - force the magnet up (or down).

In theory the current required to lift the load from the contact is linearly related to the force required to lift it, which knowing gravity indicates weight. However the solenoid is not a linear actuator and you also need to account for the mechanical linkages. You'll probably want to manually calibrate your homebrew, active load cell with several points until you obtain the required accuracy and range.

There are several other ways to measure weight/mass, but this one seems the most interesting to me.

Good luck!

-Adam
RE: Strain guage - other options
8/9/08 1:09 AM as a reply to mimemike .
Hi Mike,

There are lots of low range scales availabie in Hong Kong they are tiny, portable and importantly cheap. I will go out at the weekend and pick one up. I am sure I can disassemble one and see what they are using for measurement.
What is the maximum wieght you are wishing for? From memory the maximum span you can use on a load cell for accuracy is about 3,000 to 1 so if you went for three kg you could get 1 gram precision, I stand to be corrected on this point.
I have been type 1 diabetic for over 30 years so am very interested in this project.

Best regards,
Clive
RE: Strain guage - other options
8/9/08 2:22 PM as a reply to Clive Anthony .
Hi I found a 500gm scale to 0.1gm resolution. It consists of a small loadcell about 15mm high with a separate section for the electronics. I had to get the expensive one at US$21 the US$12 ones in same range were sold out. There are no connections to the outside world and I have not looked to see what may be available inside the box. It certainly looks like a loadcell is available in the size range you are looking for. Size of the whole unit is about 20mm tall and 100mm square.

Best regards,
Clive
RE: Strain guage - other options
8/10/08 8:23 AM as a reply to Clive Anthony .
Thankfully with the clarification of the rules I can use the sensors I have ready access to.

I have the load cell out of a "Budget Scale" that operatets in the range 0 to 5Kg with 1 gram resolution that I had being doing tests with previously.
I will most likely use this for the prototype demonstrations, if I can find it again (Have moved many times since I last used it... hope its still in a box, otherwise I'll head to Walmart for the $12 scale they have there)

For the Final product I will carefully design the slide on protective lid to be a scale a using strain gages (Low Cost)

Thanks for the advice people have given - it has been informative and creative.

Mike
RE: Strain guage - other options
8/10/08 3:40 PM as a reply to Clive Anthony .
Clive Anthony:
I have been type 1 diabetic for over 30 years so am very interested in this project.
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Hi Clive,

Hopefully by the end of this project you will have all the resources, design and code you need to build your own unit, or someone will start manufacturing them, and I hope it helps you more accurately calculate the insulin dosage, as well as helping Log carb intake, BG readings etc etc

Question are you still MDI or are you pumping?
Either way I look forward to your input for the rest of the project, especially when it gets to the additional hardware/software "Features" that you would like to see added.

Thanks,

Mike
RE: Strain guage - other optionsI ma sorry for my slow reply work seems to!
8/20/08 5:43 AM as a reply to mimemike .
Hi Mike,

Sorry for my slow response work takes over my life sometimes. I am not using a pump I am keeping control with daily injections and diet, I guess after such a long time I am settled with my routine.

Best regards,
Clive